the pilot comes on and says, if you've got a problem, call the faa. the faa says, don't talk to us, talk to congress who put the sequester in place. >> the pilots got on and said, it's not the airline's fault, we're sorry you're waiting here on the runway, but you can go online and find a petition to end the furloughs. >> what happens now with the fines, you know, if you're on a tarmac, if you're on a plane stuck for more -- >> that's a good point. >> are the airlines responsible for that? >> the airlines are saying no -- >> are they going to try to get a waiver? >> they're saying they're not responsible, it's an air traffic control situation, because of the furloughs, they're not able to manpower all of the air traffic control posts. so, you know, therefore, we all end up suffering. and thairi think they're passin blame around. >> one third of laguardia flights were delayed. >> 20% delayed at reagan national in newark and philly. these are central hubs, so there's a ripple effect at any of these airports. there's been the blame game, back and forth i